Another titan in the arena of Christian-Lite motivational speakers is Joyce Meyer.
Her entire presentation is entwined with her twisted interpretation of scripture and a gospel message built on self-worth, self-improvement, self-image. Love of self is part and parcel of her ‘schtick’.
Romans 16;17 “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.”
Luke 16:15 “that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.”
“Funds are low again, hallelujah! That means God trusts us and is willing to leave his reputation in our hands.” C.T. Studd
1 Timothy 4:16 “Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.”
1 Timothy 4:1 “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron”
1 Peter 4:17 “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?”
Pauline Joyce Hutchison was born on June 4, 1943. She is head of Joyce Meyer Ministries, headquartered in Missouri. She divorced her first husband in 1966 and married current husband Dave Meyer in 1967. Because her first husband committed adultery, she is Biblically justified in her divorce and her current marriage is on solid ground.
“At 60 (now 71, ed.) years of age she has become a very popular speaker. She certainly is one of the best-known and best-paid TV preachers (especially for women). Today her Life in the Word organization estimates revenue of $95 million this year. The ministry says it spends about 10 percent – $880,000 a month – on charitable works around the globe.”
“Her ministry is now a multimillion-dollar organization with 500 employees with offices in Europe and South Africa. The ministry’s headquarters were built a year and a half ago by for approximately $19 million. Meyer’s ministry reaches out to the world, a Charisma article a number of years ago pointed out that she is on 600 radio and television stations -selling nearly three million tapes and close to a million books. Her Web site brings an average $8 million a month to her ministry.” (Joyce Meyer’s message: Give to me and God gives to you By Carolyn Tuft and Bill Smith, November 2003, St. Louis Post-Dispatch)
“While Meyer’s previous salary is unknown, a recent series of investigative articles in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch revealed Meyer’s ministry purchased for Joyce and Dave a $2 million home, a $10 million private jet (Gulfstream G-IV), and houses worth another $2 million for the couple’s children, who also work for the ministry. The articles also outlined Meyer’s recent personal purchases, including a $500,000 vacation home. Meyer, 60, lives in Fenton, Missouri, near St. Louis.” (1/1/2004, http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/januaryweb-only/1-19-13.0.html)
Today, her ‘ministry’ rakes in about $100,000,000 every year.
The following is a set of beliefs stated by Meyer with analysis provided by carm.org (Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry):
MEYER Jesus stopped being the Son of God: “He could have helped himself up until the point where he said I commend my spirit into your hands, at that point he couldn’t do nothing for himself anymore. He had become sin, he was no longer the Son of God. He was sin.” (http://storage.carm.org/joycemeyer/joyce-meyer-Jesus-became-sin-stopped-being-son-of-God.mp3)
Response: This is heresy. Jesus did not ever stop being the son of God. Essentially what she is saying is that Jesus stopped being divine, the eternal son, second person of the Trinity. This is an attack on the very nature of Christ, and it is a dangerous false teaching. Joyce Meyer needs to repent and retract this statement. There is no place in Scripture that says Jesus stopped being the son of God. She’s adding to the word of God and placing in the hearts and minds of listeners false doctrine.
MEYER Jesus was born again: “The minute that blood sacrifice was accepted Jesus was the first human being that was ever born again,” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neKsa_74w7k&feature=related)
Response: This is just plain wrong. Being born again means to be saved from the wrath of God for a person’s sins (Eph. 2:1-3), to have a new birth (John 3:3), and to be regenerated (2 Cor. 5:17). Mrs. Meyer is simply wrong biblically. Why does she teach this? It can only be because she has bought into many of the errors of the Positive Confession movement where it is sometimes said that Jesus lost his divine nature, went to hell, finished the atonement in hell, and was born again! This is a serious error since it implies that Jesus needed to be changed…
MEYER Jesus paid for our sins in hell: “He became our sacrifice and died on the cross. He did not stay dead. He was in the grave three days. During that time he entered hell, where you and I deserve to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there.” (The most important decision you’ll ever make, by Joyce Meyer, second printing, may 1993, page 35)
Response: This is blatantly wrong. Jesus did not pay the price of our redemption in hell. He paid the price on the cross. It was finished on the cross when he said, “It is finished,” (John 19:30). Also, consider the following verses:
Col. 1:20, “and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.”
Col. 2:14, “having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.”
1 Pet. 2:24, “and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.”
MEYER Jesus went to hell in our place and was tormented: “Jesus paid on the cross and went to hell in my place. Then as God had promised, on the third day Jesus rose from the dead. The scene in the spirit realm went something like this: God rose up from his throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless son of God, ‘let him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus. On earth his grave where they had buried him was filled with light as the power of God filled his body. He was resurrected from the dead–the first born again man.” (The most important decision you’ll ever make, by Joyce Meyer, second printing, may 1993, page 36)
Response: Where does she get this completely fictitious dialogue between God and the demon powers? It is made up, not founded in scripture, and mistakenly assumes that Jesus went to hell, the place of torment and suffering after he died on the cross. The Bible does not teach any such thing. However, it does say that Jesus descended into the lower parts of the earth (Eph. 4:9). This can mean that Jesus was physically buried or that Jesus went to Hades to inform those who had already died about who he was and what he did on the cross or it can be referring to his incarnation as is contrasted with his ascending into heaven (Eph. 4:10). But there is simply no reason to believe that Jesus suffered in hell and finished the atonement there. See response to Quote 1.
MEYER If you don’t believe Jesus went to hell, you cannot be saved: “His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserve to go . . . There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth.” (The most important decision you’ll ever make, by Joyce Meyer, second printing, may 1993, page 37)
Response: This is an amazingly bad statement on her part. She is saying that you cannot be saved from your sins unless you believe that Jesus went to the hell where we deserve to go. This is a modification of the gospel message that saves as is found in 1 Cor. 15:1-4 that states it is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. Nowhere in scripture are we told to believe that Jesus suffered for us in hell or that he went there–where we deserve to go. This is very wrong and is heretical.
MEYER We are called little gods: “I was listening to a set of tapes by one man and he explained it like this..this kind of gets the point across . . . he said why do people have such a fit about God calling his creation, his creation, his man not his whole creation, but his man, little gods? If he’s God what’s he going to call them but the God kind? I mean if you as a human being have a baby you call it a human kind. If if [sic] cattle has another cattle they call it cattle kind. I mean what is God supposed to call ’em? Doesn’t the Bible say we are created in his image? Now you understand I am not saying you are god with a capital G. That is not the issue here so don’t go trying to stone me or yell blasphemy at me.” “The Bible says right here John 10:34 . . . ‘and Jesus answered is it not written in your law I say we are gods.’ So men are called god’s by the law…” (Joyce Meyer). (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrP3OLCH9GI&feature=related)
Response: In this clip she goes on to quote John 10:34 where Jesus says to the Pharisees “you are gods” which is a quote from Psalm 82:6, which is an imprecatory Psalm of condemnation for the unrighteous judges. Psalm 82:7 says, “nevertheless you will die like men”. She then turned to Psalm 82 and went through it. The video stopped, so I do not know what she would have said about the next, all important verse.
MEYER Joyce Meyer said she is not a sinner: “I am not poor. I am not miserable and I am not a sinner. That is a lie from the pit of hell. That is what I were and if I still was then Jesus died in vain. I’m going to tell you something folks. I didn’t stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn’t a sinner anymore. And the religious world thinks that’s heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I am righteous and I can’t be righteous and be a sinner at the same time.” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dmHJdM63hk)
Response: Mrs. Meyer needs a lesson in basic Bible. 1 John 1:8 says, “If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” Notice that John the apostle says “we.” He is including himself with sinners. Also, Paul said in Rom. 7:19-20,24, “For the good that I wish, I do not do; but I practice the very evil that I do not wish. 20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not wish, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me . . . 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?” Is Joyce Meyer better in Christian character than John and Paul? I think not. Mrs. Meyer fails to recognize her own sinfulness and so mistakenly denies her own sinfulness. I can only conclude that this false teaching comes from pride because it certainly isn’t biblical.
MEYER The host of hell were literally on Jesus and were laughing: “They were having the biggest party that had ever been had. They had my Jesus in the floor and they were standing on his back jumping up and down laughing. And he had become sin. Don’t you think that God was pacing, wanting to put a stop to what was going on? All the host of hell were upon him. Upon him. Up on him. The angels were in agony. All the creation is groaning. All the host of hell was upon him. Up on him. They got on him. They got him down in the floor and got on him and they were laughing and mocking. Ha ha ha ha. You trusted God and look where you ended up. You thought he’d save you and get you off that cross. He didn’t, ha ha ha.” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwNfOaxIcOMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwNfOaxIcOM)
Response: Where did she get this–in the sacred Book of Joycemeyeronomy? It is certainly not in the Bible, and yet she has no problem teaching it as an authoritative truth. Does she not know that the Bible says not to exceed what is written (1 Cor. 4:6)? Yet, she has done exactly this. She is in grave error and has violated God’s word that says that Jesus bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24) and finished the atonement on the cross (John 19:30)–not in hell at the hands of demons! There is no way demons were literally standing ‘on’ Jesus. Meyer is in gross error!
MEYER Joyce Meyer gets revelation knowledge: “The Bible can’t even find any way to explain this. Not really that is why you have got to get it by revelation. There are no words to explain what I am telling you. I have got to just trust God that he is putting it into your spirit like he put it into mine.” (http://storage.carm.org/audio/joycemeyer/joyce-meyer-revelation-knowledge.mp3)
Response: Revelation knowledge? Is she on par with the apostles who received revelation knowledge from God himself? Or how about the Old Testament prophets? Does she, like them, also receive revelation knowledge from God? If so, how would we know if it were true or not? The answer is simple: we test what she says against Scripture, and it is obvious that she is getting a lot of things from somewhere else that contradict the word of God.
As a leading proponent of the heresies known as Seed Faith, Prosperity Gospel, and Word of Faith, Meyer must be prayed for in the hope that our Heavenly Father will humble her and lead her to a true understanding of the Way and the ministry of our Lord and Saviour.
1 Timothy 6:5-10 “useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself. Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”
Meyer does give good advice (when doing so outside of the realm of hermeneutics and exegetical instruction), and has overcome much in her personal life. However, she is a false teacher and a false prophet. Jesus spoke a lot about false teachers and prophets who were already in the nascent church and those who would come in the last days. It is the responsibility of all Christians to expose these heretics and by so doing help those believers that are confused and open their eyes to these deadly heresies.
2 Peter 2:1-3 “But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.”
Meyer has never publicly repudiated any of the statements analyzed here. I never judge a person based on pre-Salvation statements or behavior. However, I am judging her based on the words coming our of her ministry as one who holds herself out to be a Believer.
And for those who say ‘judge not’, I present the following example of a severe judgement given by the Apostle Paul:
Galatians 1:6 “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel. 7 Not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.”
To rightly judge is to compare what is said or done to what the Bible has to say on the subject, making sure that the person doing the judging is not guilty of the same error as those whom he is judging.
Romans 16:17 “I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.”
“Matthew 7 In verse 15 Jesus warns us to “watch out for false prophets.” How can we evaluate whether or not someone is a false prophet unless we use some degree of judgment? Jesus was speaking about judging self righteously and hypocritically. Paul tells us in I Corinthians 5:3, “And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this..” And in verse 12 he states, “Are you not to judge those inside [the church]?” Judging in a biblical manner is the result of discernment.” (Paul Belli, Joyce Meyer’s False Gospel, jesus-is-savior.com)
The apostles were poor in worldy terms, as was Jesus who had nowhere to lay his head ( Matthew 8:20 “And Jesus said to him, ‘Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.'”). If the emphasis of Salvation was on worldly gain, the following statement by the Apostles would read differently:
1 Corinthians 4:11-13 “To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless. And we labor, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we endure; being defamed, we entreat. We have been made as the filth of the world, the offscouring of all things until now.”
Matthew 6:19-21 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”
Luke 6:20-21 “Then he looked up at his disciples and said: ‘Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. ‘Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. ‘Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.”
Sounds like Jesus didn’t spend a lot of time talking about sowing seeds of prosperity and seeking monetary increase. Looks like he placed higher value on being poor in material gain and rich in spirit. That material wealth gets in the way of faith and growth in the Word.
Again, pray to God for the true Salvation of Joyce Meyer and for the souls of those millions of people who believe her theology to be truth.
THANKS TO: christianitytoday.com; Reverend Matt Slick at carm.org; Pastor Rick Henderson at churchismessy.com; Fran Sankey at craigbrownsreformedtheology.wordpress.com; joycemeyer.org; Pastor Josh Buice at deliveredbygrace.com; false-teachers.com; forgottenword.org; Kelly Powers at afcministry.com; huffingtonpost.com; theanswerischrist.com; Carolyn Tuft and Bill Smith of St. Louis Post-Dispatch; Paul Belli at jesus-is-savior.com; womenofgrace.com.
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